Whats this new system about that theyre introducing in April? I heard that internet providers are being forced to monitor the packages coming thru your router and then if they find torrents/illegal downloads 3 times then you get some big arse fine and possibly a sentence depending on how bad the downloads are. Also heard that Talk Talk are completely against this sceme and are making a petition to get rid of it.
Anyone know anythin about it? I dont really know much, just sayin what ive heard. Would be a bit of a shitter for all of us if they did actually put their foot down on torrents.
Also, if it is happening and stuff, how can we get around it? I heard you can encript the data for when it goes thru your internet and then unencript it when its through.
3 Strikes Your Out?
Re: 3 Strikes Your Out?
Will post a reply when I get home, it is 5 now...I am free.... 
Re: 3 Strikes Your Out?
Basically the music industry big wigs (Sony, Universal etc) claim they have lost huge sums of money and it is all caused by piracy online. So they are lobbying Governments around the world to put in legislation that will allow them to order the ISP to cut off the users connection without a trial if they are found to be repeat offenders of copyright infringment.
To do this is against human rights as everyone in the UK has the right to a fair trial before been proven guilty. The music industry basically wants everyone to be marked as guilty without trial and can then appeal against it at a later date.
This came about when Lord Mandelson was on a boat with a Hollywood rich-man David Geffen. When Mandy came back he said that piracy needs to be cut, even though he showed absolutely no interest in the issue before he went to see Mr Geffen.
The paper that was drafted says there are 7 million pirates in the UK alone and the Government wants to cut that down by 70% by the end of 2010. If you do your maths that is 4.9 million cases that would have to go to court. The current civil court that would deal with these matters only currently does 200,000 cases a year. So if everyone was to get a fair trial and they doubled the capacity of the court, it would take 25 years to take it down 70%, but by then there would likely be more pirates, so they only way to get around this would be to do it without trial, which is against human rights and the EU doesn't like it.
But.
The 7million figure has no founding, it was made up. There were some basic surveys done of 3,000 people or so and with the response from the survey they worked out how many pirates there must be in the country. But from that number, they assumed that some of them probably lied, so increased it. It is believed that the original number would of equated to 2 million pirates in the UK.
So the music companies want to send out letters to the ISPs who will then pass on letters to the customers informing them of their wrong doing. Once this happens for the third time, the customer is to have their connection cut off.
1) The music industry has said that the ISPs can pay half the cost of chasing up the offenders. The ISPs have said "fuck off we are".
TalkTalk started up a site called Dontdisconnect.us to get people to complain to the Government about it all. BT also said that it would cost at least £365 million a year for these measures to be taken by the ISPs alone. The industry says it loses £200 million a year in the UK (that number has no founding either, much like the 7 million). So they want the ISPs to spend more money than they are losing.
2) An unsecured wireless connection can be used by anyone and will be cut off even if it was someone sitting in a car outside your house with their laptop.
3) If there is more than 1 person in the household, every member of the house is cut off. So if someone's 12 year old son/daughter downloaded a lot, unaware of copyright, their parents would be cut off too.
The only way for the music industry to track the downloads is to peak in to the packets that are shared between people (which in itself should be illegal as it is essentially the same as wiretapping a phone to listen in on a conversation).
With torrents you can encrypt them to make the contents impossible (hard) to see. But they can still see that you are downloading a torrent, but there are a lot of legal torrents, i.e. Linux distributions.
If the proposed legislation comes in, VPN's will open up in other countries, which means that you can make all your internet traffic go through to a server somewhere else in the world and get stuff through that. This can't be tracked so you would be invisible to the music companies.
The music industry has lost the plot. Their lost sales are caused in a small small way to piracy. The main causes are:
- The sale of singles rather than albums online, who wants to buy an album for 13 shit songs when you only want 1 of them?
- The gaming industry has risen dramatically, people only have a certain amount of money to spend.
- The music industry keeps pushing out a load of shit no one wants to listen to let alone buy.
- They have lost all trust from the public who know their business practice and as such boycott everything they release.
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Bet you wish you hadn't asked now...
To do this is against human rights as everyone in the UK has the right to a fair trial before been proven guilty. The music industry basically wants everyone to be marked as guilty without trial and can then appeal against it at a later date.
This came about when Lord Mandelson was on a boat with a Hollywood rich-man David Geffen. When Mandy came back he said that piracy needs to be cut, even though he showed absolutely no interest in the issue before he went to see Mr Geffen.
The paper that was drafted says there are 7 million pirates in the UK alone and the Government wants to cut that down by 70% by the end of 2010. If you do your maths that is 4.9 million cases that would have to go to court. The current civil court that would deal with these matters only currently does 200,000 cases a year. So if everyone was to get a fair trial and they doubled the capacity of the court, it would take 25 years to take it down 70%, but by then there would likely be more pirates, so they only way to get around this would be to do it without trial, which is against human rights and the EU doesn't like it.
But.
The 7million figure has no founding, it was made up. There were some basic surveys done of 3,000 people or so and with the response from the survey they worked out how many pirates there must be in the country. But from that number, they assumed that some of them probably lied, so increased it. It is believed that the original number would of equated to 2 million pirates in the UK.
So the music companies want to send out letters to the ISPs who will then pass on letters to the customers informing them of their wrong doing. Once this happens for the third time, the customer is to have their connection cut off.
1) The music industry has said that the ISPs can pay half the cost of chasing up the offenders. The ISPs have said "fuck off we are".
TalkTalk started up a site called Dontdisconnect.us to get people to complain to the Government about it all. BT also said that it would cost at least £365 million a year for these measures to be taken by the ISPs alone. The industry says it loses £200 million a year in the UK (that number has no founding either, much like the 7 million). So they want the ISPs to spend more money than they are losing.
2) An unsecured wireless connection can be used by anyone and will be cut off even if it was someone sitting in a car outside your house with their laptop.
3) If there is more than 1 person in the household, every member of the house is cut off. So if someone's 12 year old son/daughter downloaded a lot, unaware of copyright, their parents would be cut off too.
The only way for the music industry to track the downloads is to peak in to the packets that are shared between people (which in itself should be illegal as it is essentially the same as wiretapping a phone to listen in on a conversation).
With torrents you can encrypt them to make the contents impossible (hard) to see. But they can still see that you are downloading a torrent, but there are a lot of legal torrents, i.e. Linux distributions.
If the proposed legislation comes in, VPN's will open up in other countries, which means that you can make all your internet traffic go through to a server somewhere else in the world and get stuff through that. This can't be tracked so you would be invisible to the music companies.
The music industry has lost the plot. Their lost sales are caused in a small small way to piracy. The main causes are:
- The sale of singles rather than albums online, who wants to buy an album for 13 shit songs when you only want 1 of them?
- The gaming industry has risen dramatically, people only have a certain amount of money to spend.
- The music industry keeps pushing out a load of shit no one wants to listen to let alone buy.
- They have lost all trust from the public who know their business practice and as such boycott everything they release.
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Bet you wish you hadn't asked now...
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Ahh so that don't disconnect us thing i joined on facebook is a good thing sweeeeeeeet,
I'm a talktalk customer granted talktalk is aol which is now free? Something that worries me is i download my torrents at night come onto the forum in the morning
and my ip keeps getting blacklisted this is worrying the fuck out of me.. but then i think i live in a small little shit hole to be fair i should be harder to find
I'm a talktalk customer granted talktalk is aol which is now free? Something that worries me is i download my torrents at night come onto the forum in the morning
and my ip keeps getting blacklisted this is worrying the fuck out of me.. but then i think i live in a small little shit hole to be fair i should be harder to find
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You will be easy to find. Every customer has their own username and password that they use to connect. Different ISPs hold the data for longer but they have the IP address of everyone of their customers.
The music industry (who hire companies to do the work for them) will supply the ISP with the IP address and time of the infringment, the ISP can then lookup that the IP address and find out which customer had that IP address at the time, they can then pass on your details to the company (depending on the T&C's due to data protection as it isn't strictly a police matter).
If you ever receive a warning in the post, don't reply, but don't throw away the letter.
The music industry (who hire companies to do the work for them) will supply the ISP with the IP address and time of the infringment, the ISP can then lookup that the IP address and find out which customer had that IP address at the time, they can then pass on your details to the company (depending on the T&C's due to data protection as it isn't strictly a police matter).
If you ever receive a warning in the post, don't reply, but don't throw away the letter.
Re: 3 Strikes Your Out?
aparently...the reason (i got this wrong) why torrents are easy to be prosicuted for ..and not the likes of rapidshare and usernet.. is you know exactly what your downloading when you do a torrent.... it says a film title or album and then you ..download.
rapidshare for instance... you cant be procicuted ( not yet.. but they will change the law .. its just to good) .. because the files you download dont tell you what they are.... they could be anything... they are just rar files with numbers and letters in them.... anyone could download them without knowing what they have in them... torrent are more specific...
rapidshare for instance... you cant be procicuted ( not yet.. but they will change the law .. its just to good) .. because the files you download dont tell you what they are.... they could be anything... they are just rar files with numbers and letters in them.... anyone could download them without knowing what they have in them... torrent are more specific...
proper geezer AVE IT init
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Ofcourse you know what's in them, When you search for it you know what you are getting? :Ssparksy wrote:aparently...the reason (i got this wrong) why torrents are easy to be prosicuted for ..and not the likes of rapidshare and usernet.. is you know exactly what your downloading when you do a torrent.... it says a film title or album and then you ..download.
rapidshare for instance... you cant be procicuted ( not yet.. but they will change the law .. its just to good) .. because the files you download dont tell you what they are.... they could be anything... they are just rar files with numbers and letters in them.... anyone could download them without knowing what they have in them... torrent are more specific...
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They still know what is in the Rapidshare stuff, if it's not easy to tell they will just download it and find out, they have the rights from the companies to download it for the use in prosecuting others. The best thing is to use passwords on the rars to at least make it a little harder and have closed communities, unfortunately rapid.org is too open and is easy to find out what people are downloading.sparksy wrote:aparently...the reason (i got this wrong) why torrents are easy to be prosicuted for ..and not the likes of rapidshare and usernet.. is you know exactly what your downloading when you do a torrent.... it says a film title or album and then you ..download.
rapidshare for instance... you cant be procicuted ( not yet.. but they will change the law .. its just to good) .. because the files you download dont tell you what they are.... they could be anything... they are just rar files with numbers and letters in them.... anyone could download them without knowing what they have in them... torrent are more specific...
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Yup. All the open rights groups etc are up in arms about it and if it goes through it won't be pretty.joeb619 wrote:So all in all... Its goin down the shitter.
Pirates will always find a way around restrictions.